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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:36 pm 

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"Pillars of smoke/cloud/fire"

Ex 13:21-22 And the Lord went before them by day in a pillar of cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night: He took not away the pillar of the cloud by day, nor the pillar of fire by night, from before the people.

(Sound like a vertical take-off, fossil fuel burning, personal vehicle, exhausting carbon dioxide and water vapor? Similar to the personal back-pack jet developed by the U.S. Army? More evidence...)

Ex 14:19,24 And the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud went from before their face, and stood behind them. (A subordinate of God relieving Him? Horizontal motion, still with vertical, downward exhaust gases.) :24 ...in the MORNING watch the Lord (Back on duty?) looked unto the host of the Egyptians through the pillar of fire and of the cloud... (Early in the day, humans could see both the exhaust flame and the subsequent exhaust.)

Ex 33:9-10 ...the cloudy pillar DESCENDED, and STOOD at the door of the tabernacle, and the Lord talked with Moses. (Both vertical descent and hovering motions.) :10 And ALL the people saw the cloudy pillar STAND... (Many witnesses?)

Num 12:5 And the Lord CAME DOWN in the pillar of cloud, and STOOD... (Same motions as Ex 33:9.)

Num 14:14 ...that thy Lord art seen FACE TO FACE, (Really?) and that thy cloud STANDETH over them, and that thou GOEST before them, by day time in a pillar of cloud, and in a pillar of fire by night. (Can see the exhaust flame at night.)

Deut 31:15 And the Lord appeared in the tabernacle in a pillar of cloud; and the pillar of cloud STOOD... (Very stable hover capabilities!)

Deut 33:26 There is none like unto the God of Jesh'u-run, who RIDETH UPON the heaven... and...ON the SKY. (Interplanetary travel and flight in Earth's atmosphere?)

(All this is retold in Neh 9:12-19. But why would an omnipotent God need a flying vehicle to get about???)

(There were no more instances of gods scooting through the air on pillars of fossil fuel exhaust. The 'Naki had abandoned Earth? And Moses then created monotheism for the Hebrews to worship the no longer seen "God"? And now you perhaps understand why the vitriolic, vituperative anti-Sitchinites continually post on this and other boards to obfuscate and ridicule all posts and persons who give the slightest considerations of Sitchin's evidence and theories.)


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awesome citing! it is amazing to me how anecdotal evidence can abound and the sitchin haters refuse to see it as evidence at all. they can't even bring themselves to entertain the notions sitchin proposes. *sigh* minds and parachutes, my friend. minds and parachutes.


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TRA: Yea, their religious beliefs have closed their minds completely and they are in desperate defense of their personal faiths.

Some afterthoughts re my previous post:
The personal flying vehicles of the Anunnaki may have been fueled by liquid hydrogen, yielding only exhaust flame and water vapor.

Num 14:14 sounded a little fantastic for the KJV, so here it is from the Torah:

14:13-14 But Moses said to the Lord, "... Now they (the Egyptians) have heard that You, O Lord, are in the midst of this people; that You, O Lord, appear IN PLAIN SIGHT when Your cloud rests over them and when You go before them in a PILLAR of cloud by day and a PILLAR of fire by night.

Further, Num 14:20-22 And the Lord said, "...the men who have seen My Presence..."


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And on a different kind of "pillar":
Gen 19:13 For WE will destroy this place...
:16 ...and set him without the city.
:17 ...neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the MOUNTAIN, lest thou be CONSUMED.
:22 Haste thee, escape thither: for I cannot DO any thing till thou be come thither.
:24 Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven;
:25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain...
:26 But his wife,,,from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.

(Here we have Lot talking - even negotiating - face-to-face with the gods who have planned to wipe out two cities with a nuclear weapon. The direct radiation from the blast will even cross the plain [faster than will the force of the pressure wave] and it will boil away all of the water in flesh and burn all the flesh, leaving a pile of minerals. S&G = N&H? The only way to avoid the direct radiation [fallout is another matter] is to be on the opposite side of a mountain, well below the brim. Lot's wife cooked her own goose by staying on the city-side of the mountain. Did any mere humans of Lot's generation have nuclear weapons? The Anunnaki clearly did, and used them more than once.


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Quote: genesis ... recent evangelical authorities seem inclined to believe that in composing the book of genesis, moses made use of two separate and very ancient hebrew written documents by unknown authors, and that besides editing and combining these, he continued the narrative in his own words. this doctrine is founded on the fact, which is unquestionable, that a considerable part of genesis can be separated into two sets of passages, one distinguished by the use of the plural hebrew word elohim for god, and the other by the use of the singular hebrew word jehovah. for instance, throughout the first chapter and the first three verses of the second, the word elohim is in the hebrew wherever "god" is found in the text. the translators have adopted the singular form throughout, of course, but in using the personal pronouns they have sometimes said "us", etc., as in chap. i. 26, "and god said, let us make man in our image, after our likeness, etc. in chap. vi. 1-8, again, for instance, the hebrew word translated "god" is jehovah. end quote

hitchcock's new and complete analysis of the holy bible, 1159 pp., 1869 [yes, i have an original eighteen sixtynine printing]
history of the bible, pg. 1129

lots of aspects to comment on here - have at it.



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Re above quote, italics were the author's, bold notation mine. the absence of appropriate caps is the fault of the editor's upgrade, making this an inaccurate quote.



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Hmmm... no responses to my two posts of 1/21/08.

from the same source, "hitchcock's new..."

pg. 1129: quote: name of genesis. -- the hebrew name of the book is (in english), "in the beginning;" according to the hebrew custom of naming books by a title composed of their first words. end quote

anyone who has read sitchin or l.w. king's "enuma elish: the 7 tablets of creation, vol. i & ii" will recognize that "in the beginning" is the translation of the title and the first three words of this sumerian text, written some 2,000 years before moses. apparently, moses did have access to prior written texts from which to compile his own "in the beginning", though his is a "readers' digest condensed" version of the original.



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